Wednesday, July 29, 2009

The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

Determined to source the most suitable guide-dog for a client, I unwittingly turned the canine world upside down



While working with the Royal Guide Dog Association of Australia as its puppy-breeding manager in the early 鈥?0s, I received a request from Hawaii. A vision-impaired woman there, whose husband was allergic to dog hair, had written to our centre in the hope that we might have an allergy-free guide-dog.



鈥淧iece of cake,鈥?I thought. The standard poodle, a trainable working dog, was probably the most suitable breed, with its tightly curled coat. Although our centre bred and used labradors, I didn鈥檛 anticipate any difficulties finding a suitable poodle.



It turned out I was wrong: after rejecting countless poodles with various problems, some two years and 33 disappointing trials later, I still hadn鈥檛 found an appropriate dog for the job.



In desperation, I decided to cross a standard poodle with one of our best-producing labradors.



The mating was successful, but it produced only three pups. We sent coat and saliva samples of each pup to the Hawaiian couple, and the husband found one sample allergy-free. At last we were getting somewhere, but a big job lay ahead. The pup had to grow up and prove suitable for guiding work; and then it had to be compatible with the visually impaired client. We had a long way to go.



With a three to six-month waiting list for people wishing to foster our pups, I was sure we鈥檇 have no problem placing our three new crossbred pups with a family. But again I was wrong: it seemed no-one wanted a crossbred puppy; everyone on the waiting list preferred to wait for a purebred. And time was running out 鈥?the pups needed to be placed in homes and socialised; otherwise they would not become guide-dogs.



By eight weeks of age, the puppies still hadn鈥檛 found homes. Frustrated and annoyed with the response to the trio of crossbreeds I had carefully reared, I decided to stop mentioning the word crossbreed and introduced the term labradoodle instead to describe my new allergy-free guide-dog pups.



It worked 鈥?during the weeks that followed, our switchboard was inundated with calls from other guide-dog centres, vision-impaired people and people allergic to dog hair who wanted to know more about this 鈥渨onder dog鈥? My three pups may have been mongrels at heart 鈥?but the furore did not abate.



It was 1989 and the publicity surrounding the new designer dogs went national and then international. A new world opened for countless people who had once thought they could never enjoy the delight of a pet pooch.



With this kind of response, I knew we were on to a winner, and I took the decision to breed more of the labrador-poodle crosses. So I contacted the then Kennel Control Councilof Australia, hoping to find the names of reputable breeders who were breeding standard problem-free poodles.



鈥淚f you use any registered dog for your programme, that breeder will be struck off the register and never be allowed to show or register their dogs again,鈥?the council鈥檚 spokesperson warned. Nor did he budge when I explained that the dogs were being bred to help vision-impaired people.



The breeders themselves were split: many did subsequentely threaten me or propose litigation if I used their progeny in my breeding programme, while others offered their services free to the guide-dog centre.



While all this was happening, I continued training Sultan, the original non-allergenic pup. He eventually went to Hawaii, amid intense media coverage, where as the world鈥檚 first labradoodle he bonded beautifully with his new owner and her allergic husband.



Interest in the labradoodle continued to escalate and inquiries poured in from all over the world from people wishing to either purchase or breed the dogs. But



I quickly realised that I鈥檇 opened a Pandora鈥檚 box when our next litter of ten labradoodles produced only three allergy-free pups.



I began to worry, too, about backyard breeders producing supposedly 鈥渁llergy-free鈥?dogs for profit. Already, one man claimed to be the first to breed a poodle- Rottweiler cross!



Nothing, however, could stop the mania that followed. New breeds began to flood the market: groodles, spoodles, caboodles and snoodles. Were breeders bothering to check their sires and bitches for heredity faults, or were they simply caught up in delivering to hungry customers the next status symbol? We鈥檒l never know for sure.



Today I am internationally credited as the first person to breed the labradoodle, but I wonder, in my retirement, whether we bred a designer dog 鈥?or a disaster!



The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

I think his intentions were Honorable. He was looking for a "New" breed of dog to be used by people who had special needs not only with wanting a service dog but one that would also meet the criteria for those people who had sever allergies to dander.



It wasn't until years of trying and with very limited success that he declared this project ended and a failure. Unfortunately with all the media hype and publicity surround this even he inadvisedly I feel is the father to the Doodle craze we have today. The big difference is that he did realize that to produce this "New" breed would be almost impossible to perfect but by that time all the damage had been done. Any person from that point on saw an opening to not only breed these dogs but to also feel free to go beyond his original intent and do mixes of their own and declare them Allergy free dogs.



I feel this is what we are experiencing today with the "Designer" crazy we have now!



People went nuts and started breeding the poodles with just about anything and declared them allergy free! We know have to deal with what was once an experment to help peopleto a delima of what will they breed with what next and what false claims will be made now!



He open a pandora's box and now we are dealing with it!



The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

Honestly he could have called them anything and the result would have been the same! We still would have all the "Designer" breeds!



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The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

ok so you are not the so-called founder of the "muts"?? ij hope not, yes the storie would have ended diff if the husband just got allergy med- please?? poodle from good stock no good enough for the job bull #### wrong trainer training the poodle! so here it stated the 2 breeds were breed for one lady whos hubby was allergic?? gat a damm cane! look what happened! i'm mad sorry



The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

i think their just like any other mutt.



The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

My question would be this: It seems that the majority of crosses started with "doodles"- People who wanted a/n (insert breed here) that didn't shed. Labradoodles are, in my opinion, an attempt to reinvent the wheel. When you breed a lab and a poodle, you either get a dog that looks lab, poodle, or more resembles a portuguese water dog, or a curly coated retriever. These breeds already exist. Labs and poodles already have such similar personalities, I don't see the need to cross them, you either want a lab or you want a poodle.



Now, it's just become such an "in" thing to see what kind of name you can come up with for something- if the name is "cute" people will buy it!



Go to any poodle rescue site and look at the number of "doodles" looking for new homes. It's disgusting!



ADD: We have 2 dogs here that we groom that are service standard poodles. We also own 4 standard poodles. The breeder of one of our poodles has placed numerous dogs in service homes. So, don't tell me they aren't good enough. The father of one of mine was an S%26amp;R dog before nearly being killed by a rare tick borne disease. Another friend has one that is not only a cadaver dog, but is used to find ancient indian burial sites.



The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

The origins of the labdoodle were good intentioned for therapy dogs, nice idea, but it didn't work out and they abandoned the breeding of this mix completely. Why continue what didn't work out? And there are protocols that are followed for breeding new breeds, but as it didn't work well they didn't purse it. Now we have people breeding them just for profit. When you breed something and the only motive is money I don't know how your intentions could possibly be called good. And maybe it's just me, but if these 'breeders' ever do finally make an honest attempt to actually come up with a new breed, I sure as hell hope they give it a respectable name, not something that sounds so Disney character, but for a mixed breed mutt I guess the name fits... Nothing would make breeding mixed breeds for profit better. It doesn't matter what you call them, the sad part is some people actually think they're a 'breed'



I have nothing against mutts. I volunteer in a shelter and even have one here myself. But mutts really need to be gotten from shelters or rescues, not line some BYB's or PM's pocket to make their truck payment!



*** Ok yes it's a good possibility the name is what started it off. A Lab/Poodle mix sounds less legitimate to some people's ears than Labdoodle. Now we have a name! I don't even think I've been on YA a whole month yet and I've already read enough to know that people actually think it's a legitimate breed. No wonder they get so mad when you say mixed breed or mutt. Jeez can't you see the name? It's a breed! (not). Before all this started you could barely give a Poodle mix away, now they're big bucks



The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

This story with it's "excuse" used to justify why a mix was being delibrately bred is exactly that a flimsy excuse. There was no need and is still no need to "try" to breed a Guide/Service dog that is considered "low allergen" Why??? becasue there are already dog breeds that meet those requirements..breeds that have been well established for many, many years...Standard Poodles, Portugese Water Dogs, Irish Water Spaniels,Curly Coated Retreivers, etc.



Also it is incredibly ridiculous to breed a low shedding breed to a high shedding double coated breed to try to get a low allergen , low shedding dog.



The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

I don't think the name has anything to do with it...its the concept of crossing two breeds to make a mutt and passing it off as a breed that is PREDICTABLE that is the issue. I know of NO two labradoodles that are the same in coat type, temperment, etc....and I think it is a complete scam to pass them off as hypoallergenic, friendly, whatever.



The story of Labradoodles could there have been some sucess if it was handled differently?

Whatever the intention, it was the wrong decision to deliberately cross 2 breeds. We as a society can accept "mutts" that are accidentally bred, but the intentional cross breeding is what sets the hackles on edge.

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